I wonder 

"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone) 12/08/2018 at 12:47 • Filed to: None

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What if Samsung would launch Tizen versions of upcoming phones and would financially incentivize top app developers to make their apps Tizen compatible? 

facw > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/08/2018 at 12:55

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I’m pretty sure people would ignore the Tizen phones.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > facw 12/08/2018 at 13:06

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Not necessarily. Many people are not happy with being stuck between Apple’s high castle and Google’s hugely dominant position that allows them to push any kind of crap, like the counterintuitive last  Android version.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/08/2018 at 13:09

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See: Windows Phone & W10 mobile

/former and bitter WP/WM user

jasmits > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/08/2018 at 13:09

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No chance. It has way too much catch-up to play with Android and iOS, and most people are pretty happy with one or the other so there’s no real incentive to put a ton of money into polishing a new OS, and then trying to incentivize app developers.

See: Windows Mobile. And that even had a lot of potential upsides as a third player, I don’t really see what Tizen does for anyone that Android doesn’t.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > jasmits 12/08/2018 at 13:23

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It’s not necessarily about offering more or less, it’s about Samsung moving in a way desired by people who buy their phones, not by Google. And Samsung can actually do it, because it’s huge. I think that such a move would be better for everyone. Samsung would get more freedom over its software and smart things integration. Google would end up with more docile partners, like Sony, LG or Motorola. And the consumers would have more options.

winterlegacy, here 'till the end > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/08/2018 at 13:40

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It doesn’t help that Windows Phone was saddled by its connection to Windows 8, plus the somewhat clunky navigation brought on by Metro not exactly being the smoothest or cleanest experience.

My grandfather has a Lumia Windows phone, and boy is it a frustrating experience to navigate the settings because there are no real clear horizontal lines to show where a clickable thing is. I still love the knockout button effect that they had available for the home screen, still one of my favorite things from a mobile phone home screen.

jasmits > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/08/2018 at 14:00

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Developing an operating system as mature as iOS and Android is an enormous undertaking, especially when you don’t have a decade to incrementally develop it like Google and Apple have had. It’s also a huge financial undertaking to incentivize developers to create software for a new platform with a small user base and no clear indications that it will grow.

Also, Samsung’s expertise is in hardware. Hardware-focused companies with hardware-focused culture don’t write good software, and it takes a huge culture shift internally for that to change. If Microsoft(a software company on the same size-scale as Samsung with an enormous user and developer base ) couldn’t manage to get users and developers on board to make Windows Mobile a viable third mobile OS Samsung would need to spend a ton of money to pull it off, and even if they did manage to create an OS on par or better than iOS or Android it would still be no guarantee that users and developers follow .

Best case scenario they keep their users, most likely scenario is that they lose most of their user base who want to keep using the apps they are happy with on Android. It’s highly unlikely Tizen would gain them many if any sales but it would cost a shitload to develop.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 12/08/2018 at 14:47

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Hey, another one of us!

I finally switched to Android about a year ago when I couldn’t get updates to apps that I really needed.  So far, I haven’t been all that impressed with Android.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > BaconSandwich is tasty. 12/08/2018 at 15:01

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it mostly works, and there’s a shit-ton of apps I mostly don’t give a fuck about. I’ll give it that.

*my One+ 5T feels really quick and responsive compared to my old Lumia 950XL , but I don’t know how much of that to attribute to the fast sd 835 CPU and 6GB of RAM vs Android.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 12/08/2018 at 15:45

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I find since I got my phone, it’s been getting progressively slower, and it’s not like I’m downloading tons of apps or anything like that.  As a software developer, I think there’s no valid excuse for poor performing software.  I will say that Windows Phone was so incredibly slow to start.  Android seems better in that regard, but so far I haven’t been impressed.

404 - User No Longer Available > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/08/2018 at 15:55

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It’s not like Microsoft hasn’t tried that with Nokia and Windows Mobile . Or BlackBerry with BB10.

jimz > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/08/2018 at 16:32

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What if Samsung would launch Tizen versions of upcoming phones and wou ld financially incentivize top app developers to make their apps Tizen compatible?

what would be the reason to use it instead of Android?

jimz > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/08/2018 at 16:35

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here’s the thing- it’s one thing to be “not happy” with the current duopoly, but any new entrant would have to be either way better than the existing two or do something incredible that neither of them do.  Tizen would just be “Android which isn’t Android.”  and given the garbage that is Samsung’s software, I doubt anything they could come up with would be clearly better than Android or iOS. 

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > BaconSandwich is tasty. 12/08/2018 at 17:47

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A ndroid has notoriously bad garbage collection and cache management. There are myriad tools designed to address the issues — which are only worsened by the various OEM skins that get slapped on top of vanilla Android— the best of which only really work with a rooted OS, the most reliable solution for un-rooted phones is a clean install. A pparently some of the low level mess was cleaned up in Oreo, but it’s still got weird java-related junk floating around at run levels that are hidden from user management and not well managed by the OS.

BaconSandwich is tasty. > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 12/08/2018 at 20:40

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That’s one thing I've really appreciated about .Net and Windows Phone - it seems that even with lower power hardware, memory really never seemed like an issue. Having done some .Net development, I really like it. Having dealt with a few Java apps, I'd gladly take .Net over Java.

boxrocket > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/09/2018 at 10:16

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Tizen is still a thing? I remember reading about it way back when I worked for AT&T, and that was back when Windows Phone was still in its (sadly and depressingly short-lived) infancy.

Of course I write this from a Microsoft Lumia 950XL, so I clearly don’t subscribe to the newest in phone stuff. •clutches beloved Lumia to chest•

boxrocket > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/09/2018 at 10:18

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Maybe it’s time for Microsoft to launch a Surface phone running a heavily-updated Windows system that can run Android apps, with full access to the Android store(s)?

Monkey B > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 12/18/2018 at 13:32

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Samsung phones would be better phones without any of their software. Pure Android phones only would be better for the consumers. I wouldn’t hate my LG if it were just pure Android.